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Australian Lawn Bowler
23-11-2007, 01:18 PM
Last year he went off in Melbourne Pennant despite Moonee Poinds poor general performance!

He won the skippers title in NSW Premier League!

And he's doing it again this year at Moonee Ponds!

Is Jaco back in top form? Should he be given another tilt at National representation?

Or is he a victim of the not being liked syndrome?

MM

drawbowler25
23-11-2007, 01:37 PM
I was speaking to Mark and he reckons he's in close to his best form. Intends to hang around and try to add another 100 to his State appearances. whether he would fit into the high performance mould, a la Glasson, of the national squad would be a question.

Budda
28-12-2007, 03:24 PM
If Dougie wants to get another 100 Tests under his belt playing for Victoria? Why wouldn't he try and add some of them next week or so over here in SA?

We'd love to see him play over here. I think he a very good bowler, but makes you wonder why he won't come to SA to play as he didn't come 2 years ago either.

Time is not on his side any more so if he wants to add another 100 to his tally why not start in the SA vs Vic series.

If you look at BA's attitude to the Australian Sides it makes you wonder how much longer that will be going also?

At least you guys over there get to play some of the other states in interstate matches through the year though so Dougie should be able to rack the next 100 up in 4 - 5 years or whatever.

BM
28-12-2007, 05:18 PM
If Dougie wants to get another 100 Tests under his belt playing for Victoria? Why wouldn't he try and add some of them next week or so over here in SA?

We'd love to see him play over here. I think he a very good bowler, but makes you wonder why he won't come to SA to play as he didn't come 2 years ago either.


i think he likes to spend the summer with his family
with all the bowls he plays plus the interstate tests as well as the NSW premier league i think its fair that he takes the time off to spend with his family

Major Ball
28-12-2007, 06:18 PM
Well I have heard that it is not his bowling ability which is keeping him out but some indescretions while in the squad and these guys that pick the squads can hold a grudge for life.

shoom
28-12-2007, 07:58 PM
Well I have heard that it is not his bowling ability which is keeping him out but some indescretions while in the squad and these guys that pick the squads can hold a grudge for life.

Maybe u should speak to Rexie.

Uncle Ken
28-12-2007, 11:59 PM
Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll:

Perko
29-12-2007, 03:10 AM
Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?

shoom
29-12-2007, 03:26 AM
Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?


Definetly perko he is the no 1 player in victoria

casinopebbles
29-12-2007, 08:47 AM
Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?


Definetly perko he is the no 1 player in victoriaDefinetly not i could think of half a dozen who are just as good if not better. But i still think one day he could represent Australia.

Keith Maniac
29-12-2007, 09:08 AM
Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?


Definetly perko he is the no 1 player in victoriaDefinetly not i could think of half a dozen who are just as good if not better. But i still think one day he could represent Australia.

I agree with you there, Pebs!

Plenty better. Nothing against Leroy, but he's not the best in Vic.

Perko
29-12-2007, 07:58 PM
[quote="Uncle Ken":3oa6ysds]Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?


Definetly perko he is the no 1 player in victoriaDefinetly not i could think of half a dozen who are just as good if not better. But i still think one day he could represent Australia.

I agree with you there, Pebs!

Plenty better. Nothing against Leroy, but he's not the best in Vic.[/quote:3oa6ysds] ok I will rephrase the question, would Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia that has not already done so, some possibility's that would be ahead of him?

douff000
29-12-2007, 10:03 PM
[quote="Uncle Ken":1vgc76wy]Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?[/quote:1vgc76wy]

I'm sure there are players that are possibly better than those playing for Victoria at the moment. However, if you need to be playing for Victoria before you can be playing for Australia then they are going to be picking from those players currently representing.

From the last 12 months this is the results for skippers. Obviously Todd is well out in front.

For Against Played Won Lost Drawn %
Jacobsen 369 371 19 9 8 2 52.63%
Flapper 510 403 24 15 9 0 62.50%
Schraner 399 319 19 13 5 2 73.68%
Simmons 425 331 21 17 4 0 80.95%
Bridge 93 90 5 2 3 0 66.67%
Spurr 94 72 5 4 1 0 80.00%
Dorgan 41 66 3 1 2 0 33.33%

Daniel

majmeyer
30-12-2007, 12:06 AM
Danny,

Add in his NSW Premier League results.

MM

Perko
30-12-2007, 12:11 AM
[quote="Uncle Ken":3dywf1fu]Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?

I'm sure there are players that are possibly better than those playing for Victoria at the moment. However, if you need to be playing for Victoria before you can be playing for Australia then they are going to be picking from those players currently representing.

From the last 12 months this is the results for skippers. Obviously Todd is well out in front.

For Against Played Won Lost Drawn %
Jacobsen 369 371 19 9 8 2 52.63%
Flapper 510 403 24 15 9 0 62.50%
Schraner 399 319 19 13 5 2 73.68%
Simmons 425 331 21 17 4 0 80.95%
Bridge 93 90 5 2 3 0 66.67%
Spurr 94 72 5 4 1 0 80.00%
Dorgan 41 66 3 1 2 0 33.33%

Daniel[/quote:3dywf1fu] ok who out of these players that hasn't played for Australia already get the nod next

Keith Maniac
30-12-2007, 09:07 AM
[quote="Perko":2sr0f8n7][quote="Uncle Ken":2sr0f8n7]Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?

I'm sure there are players that are possibly better than those playing for Victoria at the moment. However, if you need to be playing for Victoria before you can be playing for Australia then they are going to be picking from those players currently representing.

From the last 12 months this is the results for skippers. Obviously Todd is well out in front.

For Against Played Won Lost Drawn %
Jacobsen 369 371 19 9 8 2 52.63%
Flapper 510 403 24 15 9 0 62.50%
Schraner 399 319 19 13 5 2 73.68%
Simmons 425 331 21 17 4 0 80.95%
Bridge 93 90 5 2 3 0 66.67%
Spurr 94 72 5 4 1 0 80.00%
Dorgan 41 66 3 1 2 0 33.33%

Daniel ok who out of these players that hasn't played for Australia already get the nod next[/quote:2sr0f8n7][/quote:2sr0f8n7]

Simmo played for Australia against the Seth Efricans, not long back. :cool:

Perko
30-12-2007, 05:13 PM
[quote=shoom][quote="Perko":oz5rmwog][quote="Uncle Ken":oz5rmwog]Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?

I'm sure there are players that are possibly better than those playing for Victoria at the moment. However, if you need to be playing for Victoria before you can be playing for Australia then they are going to be picking from those players currently representing.

From the last 12 months this is the results for skippers. Obviously Todd is well out in front.

For Against Played Won Lost Drawn %
Jacobsen 369 371 19 9 8 2 52.63%
Flapper 510 403 24 15 9 0 62.50%
Schraner 399 319 19 13 5 2 73.68%
Simmons 425 331 21 17 4 0 80.95%
Bridge 93 90 5 2 3 0 66.67%
Spurr 94 72 5 4 1 0 80.00%
Dorgan 41 66 3 1 2 0 33.33%

Daniel ok who out of these players that hasn't played for Australia already get the nod next

Simmo played for Australia against the Seth Efricans, not long back. :cool:[/quote:oz5rmwog][/quote:oz5rmwog][/quote:oz5rmwog] Jacobson, Lester, Wilks, Simmons have represented Australia, who would be the next that hasn't already?you guys say theres plenty who are they, surley Bridge is not one of them, nothing against him

30-12-2007, 05:18 PM
[quote=casinopebbles][quote="shoom":u1g0i2bx][quote="Perko":u1g0i2bx][quote="Uncle Ken":u1g0i2bx]Like many a good footballer you get a chance then stuff it up :shock: .BAD LUCK :cry: your chance has passed you by , bring on the next one.There's plenty waiting. :roll: would Lee Schraner be the next Vic to represent Australia?

I'm sure there are players that are possibly better than those playing for Victoria at the moment. However, if you need to be playing for Victoria before you can be playing for Australia then they are going to be picking from those players currently representing.

From the last 12 months this is the results for skippers. Obviously Todd is well out in front.

For Against Played Won Lost Drawn %
Jacobsen 369 371 19 9 8 2 52.63%
Flapper 510 403 24 15 9 0 62.50%
Schraner 399 319 19 13 5 2 73.68%
Simmons 425 331 21 17 4 0 80.95%
Bridge 93 90 5 2 3 0 66.67%
Spurr 94 72 5 4 1 0 80.00%
Dorgan 41 66 3 1 2 0 33.33%

Daniel ok who out of these players that hasn't played for Australia already get the nod next

Simmo played for Australia against the Seth Efricans, not long back. :cool: Jacobson, Lester, Wilks, Simmons have represented Australia, who would be the next that hasn't already?[/quote:u1g0i2bx][/quote:u1g0i2bx][/quote:u1g0i2bx][/quote:u1g0i2bx]
"I have a dream" :mrgreen:
Who was it that made that famous statement :mrgreen:
Now maybe one day when they select an over 90's Senior side I might be able to roll out in my wheelchair and using my Bowling Arm I could star........... :twisted:

Robdog
30-12-2007, 06:55 PM
:idea: Martin Luther King Jr. :idea:

shoom
31-12-2007, 01:49 PM
U blokes do not realise how good Lee really is. If he is not in the best 6 bowlers in the state i would shag Kay Nesbitt. Pebbles he doesnt have anywhere near the luxury of rinks u play with. I know of 2 players who have bowled at both Bundoora and Moonee Ponds and both say Lee is clearly better than dougie. It is all about being in the click. Dougy challenged Lee in pennant and he smashed him both times with a weaker team. People do not realise how weak his rinks were in the last two years and he would still win 75-80% of the time. We all have different thoughts but to say he is not in the Top 6 in the state at the moment is embarrassing.

ntbowler
31-12-2007, 01:57 PM
After Javed rated him following the recent U25 Trans Tasman - I'd venture to suggest Lee will be wearing (senior) green and gold in 2008-09. Wagers anyone? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Commie
31-12-2007, 01:59 PM
After Javed rated him following the recent U25 Trans Tasman - I'd venture to suggest Lee will be wearing (senior) green and gold in 2008-09. Wagers anyone? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

He's certainly the go-to guy for fast greens. :cool: :cool: :cool:

shoom
31-12-2007, 01:59 PM
After Javed rated him following the recent U25 Trans Tasman - I'd venture to suggest Lee will be wearing (senior) green and gold in 2008-09. Wagers anyone? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Not from me NT.

shoom
31-12-2007, 02:01 PM
After Javed rated him following the recent U25 Trans Tasman - I'd venture to suggest Lee will be wearing (senior) green and gold in 2008-09. Wagers anyone? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

He's certainly the go-to guy for fast greens. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Dont worry Lee loves slow greens as well commie.

al_isup
31-12-2007, 03:08 PM
there you go again shoom, making it up as you go along. Nobody said HE WASNT in the top 6 in the state, just that you said he was number 1 which according to a few others his not number 1, Toddy would have to be!

casinopebbles
31-12-2007, 04:34 PM
U blokes do not realise how good Lee really is. If he is not in the best 6 bowlers in the state i would shag Kay Nesbitt. Pebbles he doesnt have anywhere near the luxury of rinks u play with. I know of 2 players who have bowled at both Bundoora and Moonee Ponds and both say Lee is clearly better than dougie. It is all about being in the click. Dougy challenged Lee in pennant and he smashed him both times with a weaker team. People do not realise how weak his rinks were in the last two years and he would still win 75-80% of the time. We all have different thoughts but to say he is not in the Top 6 in the state at the moment is embarrassing.Are you his partner or something. You seem to love him.

Perko
31-12-2007, 04:43 PM
there you go again shoom, making it up as you go along. Nobody said HE WASNT in the top 6 in the state, just that you said he was number 1 which according to a few others his not number 1, Toddy would have to be!go back to my earlier question

shoom
01-01-2008, 03:39 PM
U blokes do not realise how good Lee really is. If he is not in the best 6 bowlers in the state i would shag Kay Nesbitt. Pebbles he doesnt have anywhere near the luxury of rinks u play with. I know of 2 players who have bowled at both Bundoora and Moonee Ponds and both say Lee is clearly better than dougie. It is all about being in the click. Dougy challenged Lee in pennant and he smashed him both times with a weaker team. People do not realise how weak his rinks were in the last two years and he would still win 75-80% of the time. We all have different thoughts but to say he is not in the Top 6 in the state at the moment is embarrassing.Are you his partner or something. You seem to love him.

No just stating the facts pebbles. There we go again we have to change the subject dont we. Grow up. Are u his partner???? That is embarrasing. Think b4 u write.

Commie
01-01-2008, 03:42 PM
U blokes do not realise how good Lee really is. If he is not in the best 6 bowlers in the state i would shag Kay Nesbitt. Pebbles he doesnt have anywhere near the luxury of rinks u play with. I know of 2 players who have bowled at both Bundoora and Moonee Ponds and both say Lee is clearly better than dougie. It is all about being in the click. Dougy challenged Lee in pennant and he smashed him both times with a weaker team. People do not realise how weak his rinks were in the last two years and he would still win 75-80% of the time. We all have different thoughts but to say he is not in the Top 6 in the state at the moment is embarrassing.Are you his partner or something. You seem to love him.

What's that all about? Is that sort of attack necessary? I doubt it. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

eelynot
01-01-2008, 03:56 PM
there you go again shoom, making it up as you go along. Nobody said HE WASNT in the top 6 in the state, just that you said he was number 1 which according to a few others his not number 1, Toddy would have to be!

Todd, is a great bowler played with him and unfortunately against him in club games, played against Lee in a practice game this year and had him coach at our club this year. I'd rate him ahead of Todd

Perko
01-01-2008, 04:22 PM
my question is who would be the next Victorian to play for Australia that has not already? shoom believes Schraner, others think Todd but hes already played for OZ

damienj
14-01-2008, 08:39 PM
Does Brendan McCallum have a crack? or has he already played for OZ in the Under 25's? casinopebbles, how did Brendan bowl over the weekend?

and by what i seen, Nick McIntyre should be right up there...plays the big bowls under pressure...very impressive on the weekend..

sauce
14-01-2008, 09:12 PM
Does Brendan McCallum have a crack? or has he already played for OZ in the Under 25's? casinopebbles, how did Brendan bowl over the weekend?

and by what i seen, Nick McIntyre should be right up there...plays the big bowls under pressure...very impressive on the weekend..

Very impressive. One of the best displays over the whole weekend that I have seen. Simply awesome.

damienj
14-01-2008, 09:14 PM
Has he at least trialled for the Aussie development??

he might not be far away if his form has been like that all season...

jabbathehut
14-01-2008, 09:24 PM
im backing perko! best two i played with this year.

missings_easy
14-01-2008, 10:57 PM
who was the last vic to represent oz?
bill cornhels is back to being a queenslander (good career move that :smile: ) and i'm sure lurch is still trying to forget your other golden boy
must have been todd simmons and i think he only got 1 run - but he seems to perform well in nsw premier league ad i thought he was pretty well regarded on this forum - he would be my pick
i'm with mick on mark jacobson - as good as any when i saw him on the tv but i don't think he would fit the current mould

14-01-2008, 11:03 PM
Dont know where you would put Jaco really :neutral:
I heard him as a spud (Common Tator) :mrgreen: and he didnt even do that well.
I suppose the title Couldabeen Champion springs to mind :neutral:

Perko
14-01-2008, 11:41 PM
im backing perko! best two i played with this year.I know whos ganna be playing for England in the 2009 series against Australia ;)

jabbathehut
14-01-2008, 11:46 PM
more chance of jennifer hawkins asking me out for a bottle of vodka

14-01-2008, 11:49 PM
more chance of jennifer hawkins asking me out for a bottle of vodka
Our Jens too tall for you Jabba :smile:

Robbo
15-01-2008, 08:45 PM
more chance of jennifer hawkins asking me out for a bottle of vodka
Our Jens too tall for you Jabba :smile:

Mini me is too tall for Jabba!! :smile: :smile: :smile:

jabbathehut
15-01-2008, 11:50 PM
i thought midgets were in fasion?

16-01-2008, 11:37 AM
who was the last vic to represent oz?
bill cornhels is back to being a queenslander (good career move that :smile: ) and i'm sure lurch is still trying to forget your other golden boy
must have been todd simmons and i think he only got 1 run - but he seems to perform well in nsw premier league ad i thought he was pretty well regarded on this forum - he would be my pick
i'm with mick on mark jacobson - as good as any when i saw him on the tv but i don't think he would fit the current mould

the last male to represent australia in the senior side was todd simmons and no he played in the tri nations (i think) and he also played one other seriers but i can ask him to find out

Davo
16-01-2008, 10:42 PM
[quote="missings_easy":1rhgejf7]who was the last vic to represent oz?
bill cornhels is back to being a queenslander (good career move that :smile: ) and i'm sure lurch is still trying to forget your other golden boy
must have been todd simmons and i think he only got 1 run - but he seems to perform well in nsw premier league ad i thought he was pretty well regarded on this forum - he would be my pick
i'm with mick on mark jacobson - as good as any when i saw him on the tv but i don't think he would fit the current mould

the last male to represent australia in the senior side was todd simmons and no he played in the tri nations (i think) and he also played one other seriers but i can ask him to find out[/quote:1rhgejf7]

It was a tri-nations Keith & he played well. Don't know why he got dropped going by his performances. :???:

majmeyer
17-01-2008, 01:28 PM
The last Victorian to represent Australia is still in the side...

MM

17-01-2008, 01:34 PM
The last Victorian to represent Australia is still in the side...

MM
Bill Cornehls? Vic by birth, Qld by residence.

damienj
17-01-2008, 09:28 PM
The last Victorian to represent Australia is still in the side...

MM

casey probs...?

21-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Just listening to the podcast from last weekends bowls show with Pat McErlean and he's speaking with John Gullan - RVBA Chairman of Selectors.

He's rabbiting on about the drubbing the Vic Men got by SA (5 rinks won out of 20), fast greens and how "our boys didn't know how to handle it", mentions that some players were playing their first test for SA etc, and then drops this:

"We only had one of our regulars missing - Mark Jacobsen, he coudn't get time of work so he said"

What a frigging hide! So he said. Is Gullan implying that Mark could get time off work and wouldn't? What a cheap shot! For such a fantastic player of the game in this state and a representative over many years, I'm very disappointed that these comments were made. If it was a slip of the tongue - it's still inexcusable. This was from the Chairman of Selectors. Get your act together and engage your brain before putting your mouth into gear.

21-01-2008, 04:23 PM
That the Vics did not handle the fast greens would appear to be an accurate statement, of discussions from those in the know at a recent tournament, the emphasis seemed to be on certain players not arriving back at the accomadation venue until 5 am or later and "Tying it on"
One great player can be an influence no doubt however a team is 16 players and you expect commitment from all 16 at any time a team steps on a playing field.
to signal jaco out as a scapegoat is very unfair and I totally agree with your sentiments in this commentary by the RVBA's chair of selectors.

ntbowler
21-01-2008, 04:49 PM
Sounds more like the NT Side Bushy :mrgreen:

Davo
22-01-2008, 01:17 AM
Just listening to the podcast from last weekends bowls show with Pat McErlean and he's speaking with John Gullan - RVBA Chairman of Selectors.

He's rabbiting on about the drubbing the Vic Men got by SA (5 rinks won out of 20), fast greens and how "our boys didn't know how to handle it", mentions that some players were playing their first test for SA etc, and then drops this:

"We only had one of our regulars missing - Mark Jacobsen, he coudn't get time of work so he said"

What a frigging hide! So he said. Is Gullan implying that Mark could get time off work and wouldn't? What a cheap shot! For such a fantastic player of the game in this state and a representative over many years, I'm very disappointed that these comments were made. If it was a slip of the tongue - it's still inexcusable. This was from the Chairman of Selectors. Get your act together and engage your brain before putting your mouth into gear.

I won't name names & maybe this post would be more appropriate in the Whispers & Rumours thread but speaking to a reliable source in the know yesterday I was told that Jaco didn't play in SA because he's sitting on 399 tests & wants to play his 400th on home turf.

sauce
22-01-2008, 10:16 AM
Just listening to the podcast from last weekends bowls show with Pat McErlean and he's speaking with John Gullan - RVBA Chairman of Selectors.

He's rabbiting on about the drubbing the Vic Men got by SA (5 rinks won out of 20), fast greens and how "our boys didn't know how to handle it", mentions that some players were playing their first test for SA etc, and then drops this:

"We only had one of our regulars missing - Mark Jacobsen, he coudn't get time of work so he said"

What a frigging hide! So he said. Is Gullan implying that Mark could get time off work and wouldn't? What a cheap shot! For such a fantastic player of the game in this state and a representative over many years, I'm very disappointed that these comments were made. If it was a slip of the tongue - it's still inexcusable. This was from the Chairman of Selectors. Get your act together and engage your brain before putting your mouth into gear.

I won't name names & maybe this post would be more appropriate in the Whispers & Rumours thread but speaking to a reliable source in the know yesterday I was told that Jaco didn't play in SA because he's sitting on 399 tests & wants to play his 400th on home turf.

That's fair enough I suppose. When you have been such a good servant for your state I don't see why he can't choose where to play his milestone test. We see this happen in more professional sports than bowls.

22-01-2008, 10:27 AM
If that is the case, then that IS fair enough. But it does not excuse the comments by John Gullan. He should have backed him up OR shut up.

Davo
22-01-2008, 10:52 AM
If that is the case, then that IS fair enough. But it does not excuse the comments by John Gullan. He should have backed him up OR shut up.

100% agree with you regarding Gullan michael, his comment & what he was implying was completely out of order.

Chalks1971
22-01-2008, 11:02 AM
That's fair enough I suppose. When you have been such a good servant for your state I don't see why he can't choose where to play his milestone test. We see this happen in more professional sports than bowls.

I disagree, and think that you do too. If this was the only reason I wouldnt pick him and he'd be stuck on 399. Quite honestly I think it makes a mockery of representing your State when you drop out because you want to play the 400th in your home State. You should be happy to play wherever, just like you would be for the first time you represented.

sauce
22-01-2008, 11:05 AM
Absolutely, Johns comments were completely out of order. I guess though you wouldn't expect anything less from some of the RVBA officials who don't seem to realise that our state players give up a lot to play in these series. Most of them probably still believe they are good enough to wear the Big V and are just giving these younger players a chance. I know at the Development Squad Trials there isn't very much encouragement from the selectors. They are just hell bent on telling us how bad we play.

sauce
22-01-2008, 11:09 AM
That's fair enough I suppose. When you have been such a good servant for your state I don't see why he can't choose where to play his milestone test. We see this happen in more professional sports than bowls.

I disagree, and think that you do too. If this was the only reason I wouldnt pick him and he'd be stuck on 399. Quite honestly I think it makes a mockery of representing your State when you drop out because you want to play the 400th in your home State. You should be happy to play wherever, just like you would be for the first time you represented.

Sorry Chalks I don't disagree and stand by what I said however at the moment we don't know for sure that is the reason that he pulled out. It probably was due to work commitments, or even family commitments. I don't what it's like for NSW reps but Vic reps lose money playing for their state so I see no reason why they can't be selective where they play.

Chalks1971
22-01-2008, 11:12 AM
That's fair enough I suppose. When you have been such a good servant for your state I don't see why he can't choose where to play his milestone test. We see this happen in more professional sports than bowls.

I disagree, and think that you do too. If this was the only reason I wouldnt pick him and he'd be stuck on 399. Quite honestly I think it makes a mockery of representing your State when you drop out because you want to play the 400th in your home State. You should be happy to play wherever, just like you would be for the first time you represented.

Sorry Chalks I don't disagree and stand by what I said however at the moment we don't know for sure that is the reason that he pulled out. It probably was due to work commitments, or even family commitments. I don't what it's like for NSW reps but Vic reps lose money playing for their state so I see no reason why they can't be selective where they play.

I believe most State reps are in the same boat, up here more of them would be getting paid by the club, as most could probable be classed as semi-professional.

sauce
22-01-2008, 11:18 AM
[quote="michaelw":1katp44u]
That's fair enough I suppose. When you have been such a good servant for your state I don't see why he can't choose where to play his milestone test. We see this happen in more professional sports than bowls.

I disagree, and think that you do too. If this was the only reason I wouldnt pick him and he'd be stuck on 399. Quite honestly I think it makes a mockery of representing your State when you drop out because you want to play the 400th in your home State. You should be happy to play wherever, just like you would be for the first time you represented.

Sorry Chalks I don't disagree and stand by what I said however at the moment we don't know for sure that is the reason that he pulled out. It probably was due to work commitments, or even family commitments. I don't what it's like for NSW reps but Vic reps lose money playing for their state so I see no reason why they can't be selective where they play.

I believe most State reps are in the same boat, up here more of them would be getting paid by the club, as most could probable be classed as semi-professional.[/quote:1katp44u]

But with the incentives NSW clubs are able to give their players for playing rep bowls it is worth their while playing in all the games they can. Down here you would probably find very few clubs that can provide their players incentives for playing rep bowls.

Davo
22-01-2008, 11:18 AM
That's fair enough I suppose. When you have been such a good servant for your state I don't see why he can't choose where to play his milestone test. We see this happen in more professional sports than bowls.

I disagree, and think that you do too. If this was the only reason I wouldnt pick him and he'd be stuck on 399. Quite honestly I think it makes a mockery of representing your State when you drop out because you want to play the 400th in your home State. You should be happy to play wherever, just like you would be for the first time you represented.

If what I was told is true then that thought crossed my mind also Chalks!!

gottabeup
22-01-2008, 11:19 AM
Some in Vic (very few) get a few $ from their clubs to play for the state. Those that work for themselves will lose significant $ on the days they are away. Those that have standard jobs don't lose $ but most only get 4 weeks annual leave per year and have to use almost all of it if they wish to play consistently for the state. Very popular with the family if you have kids and they get no holidays with dad because hes used them all up playing bowls (I won't even mention the other halfs response).

Not sure what Dougy does for a living but hes probably in the 4 weeks A/L bucket and I think he has a young family. No surprise to me he will miss 1 or 2 series per year at a minimum.

Bowls doesn't pay the bills nor is it family friendly in its current form eg State Series during the week, State singles, pairs, fours on working days. I have friends who don't play who are simply staggered that so many of these events are on work days and require annual leave to play. The ruling body must get their minds around the changed demographic and respond accordingly.

Chalks1971
22-01-2008, 11:37 AM
For the record.

I agree that if he was out because he couldnt/wouldnt get time off work thats fine by me, bowls is a hobby and only a few manage to put food on the table by playing our great game.

I also agree that the clown who made the disparaging comment is a clown.

But if the only reason Jaco didnt play is because he wanted to play his 400th in Victoria then it is an insult to all that have or want to play for the State, and I wouldnt give him the opportunity to play the 400th.

22-01-2008, 01:25 PM
Mark is sales manager at one of Australia's largest spring water companies and his work commitments are very onerous. Just take his word for it.

Mark hasn't played against SA in this time period for the last 5 years due to work commitments and will be playing his 400th in Perth.

Another rumour quashed.

Geoff Mathers
22-01-2008, 05:00 PM
Just listening to the podcast from last weekends bowls show with Pat McErlean and he's speaking with John Gullan - RVBA Chairman of Selectors.

He's rabbiting on about the drubbing the Vic Men got by SA (5 rinks won out of 20), fast greens and how "our boys didn't know how to handle it", mentions that some players were playing their first test for SA etc, and then drops this:

"We only had one of our regulars missing - Mark Jacobsen, he coudn't get time of work so he said"

What a frigging hide! So he said. Is Gullan implying that Mark could get time off work and wouldn't? What a cheap shot! For such a fantastic player of the game in this state and a representative over many years, I'm very disappointed that these comments were made. If it was a slip of the tongue - it's still inexcusable. This was from the Chairman of Selectors. Get your act together and engage your brain before putting your mouth into gear.

I think it's true that Dougie has not played the January tests for some years now. My uderstanding in talking to him was that it is committed family time. Perhaps it is a sacrifice he makes once each year to his young family, and that is perfectly reasonable, and something he should not be punished for. It would also be probably the busiest time of the year for water sales too. Struth, family comes forst in any situation, and certainly when you are only paid $50 per day to play.

Humpty
25-03-2008, 01:12 PM
i think barrie play in the trans tasman in nz last year