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Perko
07-02-2009, 04:59 PM
Theres a fire out Healsville way anyone know how serious it is?
Hope all is ok
Any others around?

Plumage
07-02-2009, 05:44 PM
fresh AIRED BUG FELLA :shock:

07-02-2009, 06:00 PM
One Major blaze the CFA have is at Weerite, with 46 unit in attendance.

Click the link on Weerite and you will see the extent of it.

http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/inc ... ummary.htm (http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/incident_summary.htm)

Perko
07-02-2009, 10:28 PM
Ferntree Gully - Upwey Tecoma are on high alert.

Hope alls well michealw

07-02-2009, 11:39 PM
To think some low dogs are suspected of lighting some of these fires makes you sick to the stomach.

Glory glory
08-02-2009, 09:13 AM
my brotherinlaw, who took over my wifes family farm lost all his land in the fires yesterday, over 300 acers. they managed to save the house, dairy and all the cattle. they have another 150 acers up the road, they don't know as yet if that was burnt.

on the way to help fight the fires. his brother and nephew, only needed to come 10k, got caught in the middle of the same fire. but had the knowledge to save themsleves.

not only that he was due to leave for a weeks holidays today, hes even lost all his deposits there, actually it was all paid for

i feel for these people. some in other fires have lost all. some have lost even more, their lives

if any morons deliberatly lit these fires they should burn them at the stake

08-02-2009, 05:38 PM
Ferntree Gully - Upwey Tecoma are on high alert.

Hope alls well michealw
Everything's fine. The fire down the road was at FTG and shut the Burwood Hwy for a bit with all traffic being diverted up Glenfern Rd. When next you make the trip up the hill keep an eye out on the left hand side just before you hit Upper FTG railway station!

Major Ball
08-02-2009, 08:03 PM
Just heard on the news that former Channel 9 news reader Brian Naylor is missing and his wifes body has just been found in the Kinglake area. With all the burnt out cars and houses in the area we might not know for days how many people have died.

Perko
08-02-2009, 09:53 PM
my brotherinlaw, who took over my wifes family farm lost all his land in the fires yesterday, over 300 acers. they managed to save the house, dairy and all the cattle. they have another 150 acers up the road, they don't know as yet if that was burnt.

on the way to help fight the fires. his brother and nephew, only needed to come 10k, got caught in the middle of the same fire. but had the knowledge to save themsleves.

not only that he was due to leave for a weeks holidays today, hes even lost all his deposits there, actually it was all paid for

i feel for these people. some in other fires have lost all. some have lost even more, their lives

if any morons deliberatly lit these fires they should burn them at the stake

Im pretty sure a 19 yr old male and 23 year old male have been caught, both volenteer fire fighters, not sure which fires they are conected to.

Kinglake wiped out again Marysville bold over,which where both amazing places to visit.

To the scum who lit these fires I hope you get what you deserve,

jobayus
08-02-2009, 09:56 PM
It's a Big Tragedy,with all those lost lives,and to think that some Crazy Idiot has started these fires makes my Blood Boil with Anger.Like GG said if ever they catch these people, they should be hanged by the Balls over a Bonfire.

Perko
08-02-2009, 10:07 PM
Brian Naylor confirmed dead :cry:

Plumage
08-02-2009, 10:50 PM
fresh AIRED BUG FELLA :shock:

THESE PRICKS SHOULD BE HOG TIED AND PIDDLED UPON :diablo
take there belongings and whatever and set them alight :shock: or maybe burn them on the Cross !! Pricks

08-02-2009, 11:28 PM
Brian Naylor confirmed dead :cry:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainmen ... d-in-fires (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/745170/newsreader-missing-wife-dead-in-fires)

Sadly Missed.

Major Ball
09-02-2009, 08:48 AM
Its is a tradegy...No way I live in a house surrounded by bush and trees!!!

It should be a requirement that if you build in scrub you must have a fire proof cellar.

Keith Maniac
09-02-2009, 09:51 AM
Firebugs are lowlifes. We all agree, but let's not get carried away with their contribution to this disaster. The vast majority of these fires (as with most bushfires) were the result of lightning strikes and other natural causes.

Either way, it is a tragedy, with the death toll now at 108 and expected to climb further. We should concentrate our thoughts on the victims.

My heart goes out to these poor buggers.

damienj
09-02-2009, 10:11 AM
Further to Maniac's post, let us think of all the good that people are doing...doctors/vets working round the clock, houses being opened up for families...in bendigo, rental properties not being rented out, are being used by families who have lost home. Clothes, food, money, blood, all is being donated.

Sometimes the worst brings out the best. Focusing ones emotion towards anger is not going to help the families who have lost. Bloody brilliant effort by all firefighters, red cross, volunteer groups and anyone pitching in.

Damo
09-02-2009, 10:40 AM
Further to Maniac's post, let us think of all the good that people are doing...doctors/vets working round the clock, houses being opened up for families...in bendigo, rental properties not being rented out, are being used by families who have lost home. Clothes, food, money, blood, all is being donated.

Sometimes the worst brings out the best. Focusing ones emotion towards anger is not going to help the families who have lost. Bloody brilliant effort by all firefighters, red cross, volunteer groups and anyone pitching in.
How close are they to you Damieo?

Keith Maniac
09-02-2009, 10:41 AM
Further to Maniac's post, let us think of all the good that people are doing...doctors/vets working round the clock, houses being opened up for families...in bendigo, rental properties not being rented out, are being used by families who have lost home. Clothes, food, money, blood, all is being donated.

Sometimes the worst brings out the best. Focusing ones emotion towards anger is not going to help the families who have lost. Bloody brilliant effort by all firefighters, red cross, volunteer groups and anyone pitching in.

Well said Damien! :get outa here:

coventrykiwi
09-02-2009, 10:51 AM
Would just like to pass on our thoughts and sympathy from over the ditch to all those affected by this tragedy and the queensland floods

Keith Maniac
09-02-2009, 11:06 AM
NASA satellite image ...

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... p?id=36976 (http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=36976)

PB
09-02-2009, 12:40 PM
Murrundindi Mill fire deliberately lit.

this is the fire that wiped Marysville & Narbethong completely from the map.

damienj
09-02-2009, 01:29 PM
Further to Maniac's post, let us think of all the good that people are doing...doctors/vets working round the clock, houses being opened up for families...in bendigo, rental properties not being rented out, are being used by families who have lost home. Clothes, food, money, blood, all is being donated.

Sometimes the worst brings out the best. Focusing ones emotion towards anger is not going to help the families who have lost. Bloody brilliant effort by all firefighters, red cross, volunteer groups and anyone pitching in.
How close are they to you Damieo?

Bout a town over...luckily the wind pushed them away...we were some of the luckier ones. Back to business in bendigo though. The people up here are great.

09-02-2009, 03:13 PM
Just heard a report on the ABC news of more bodies found and the real possibility of a final toll in the vicinity of 230 dead.

Absolutely tragic.

Perko
09-02-2009, 04:05 PM
Further to Maniac's post, let us think of all the good that people are doing...doctors/vets working round the clock, houses being opened up for families...in bendigo, rental properties not being rented out, are being used by families who have lost home. Clothes, food, money, blood, all is being donated.

Sometimes the worst brings out the best. Focusing ones emotion towards anger is not going to help the families who have lost. Bloody brilliant effort by all firefighters, red cross, volunteer groups and anyone pitching in.

Well said Damien! :get outa here:

:i'm with stupid:

Today at work I find out that my green directors daughter is missing in Wondong

My father in law goes to work to find out his boss,wife and 3 kids where killed in Marysville on Saturday.

Swoosha and his family are not having much luck either, his house gets burnt down a few weeks back through an electrical fault and over the weekend his brothers house gets burnt to the ground in Flowerdale caused by the bush fires.

My thoughts are with everyone that has been affected by the bush fires

09-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Living in the country you get to see the penalties you risk getting if you go clearing or doing something that you think would make your farm safer for instance.

Cut down a tree near your house and you will have the DSE on your doorstep in a flash and even if you go through the right channels to do it, if you remove one tree, you have to often plant 20 to replace it. :neutral:

My Daughter and her husband have a few farms near St Arnaud in Vic and they are hamstrung by red tape in many areas of fire prevention.

They stopped us burning off fire breaks on the sides of the roads and highways, if a tree falls, too bad, you cant cut it up, it is supposed to stay in the paddock and rot.

Sure, in this inferno much of this stuff might not have stopped the fires, but it gets you wondering more and more about the Greeny types who force many of these changes compared to what we used to do.

Davo
09-02-2009, 06:08 PM
Latest death toll 131. :cry:

They should string up the fkn arsonist/s who started some of these fires if & when they're caught.

Just heard that the fire near Kilmore is still out of control & heading north.

sauce
09-02-2009, 06:21 PM
Latest death toll 131. :cry:

They should string up the fkn arsonist/s who started some of these fires if & when they're caught.

Just heard that the fire near Kilmore is still out of control & heading north.

Let's hope it doesn't link up with the fire in Redesdale!

Scottie
09-02-2009, 07:55 PM
Hope my $950 to the Red Cross Bushfire Appeal (in anticipation of getting some of Swan's $42b sometime) goes towards helping those poor buggers devastated by the bushfires. As an old country boy who did a bit of work in the Forestry Department many years ago, I realise how vicious a bushfire can be

:neutral: :neutral: :neutral: :neutral:

jakthelad
10-02-2009, 10:05 AM
Would just like to pass on our thoughts and sympathy from over the ditch to all those affected by this tragedy and the queensland floods
...and mine too from a little further afield !
Absolutely gutted at the news and my heart goes out to all you fellas (and
sheilas is it?) especially those whom I heard on teh radio have lost everything !

Somehow, perhaps almost unbelievably, even losing ones life doesn't
seem as awful as losing family, friends, pets, livestock and property so
that you are basically bereft and destitute - perhaps with out even a photo or memento of lost loved ones. My mind cannot get round it.

PB
10-02-2009, 11:00 AM
The worst thing and the biggest shame is that all too many of those effected will find themselves serverly under insured.

I work for a company that has had a lot of staff directly effected by the fires and everyone started discussing insurance and over 1/3 of staff quickly realised they were under-insured.

Recommend everyone actually goes through their house and makes notes about how much it would cost to replace everything and then compare it to your insurance, you might find yourself in for a massive shock.

jabbathehut
10-02-2009, 11:26 AM
ive not been opn her for a while guys but i havent forgotten you lot and with recent avents i wish you all the best!!!!!!! evden though we are the other side of the world the thoughs of nealry everyone over here is with yo

Chalks1971
10-02-2009, 11:35 AM
ive not been opn her for a while guys but i havent forgotten you lot and with recent avents i wish you all the best!!!!!!! evden though we are the other side of the world the thoughs of nealry everyone over here is with yo

Id forgotten how to read your posts mate, welcome back.

Cant wait for Keefy to turn up & read this. :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

jabbathehut
10-02-2009, 11:39 AM
lol ... heel love it... im awsome

JB
10-02-2009, 12:09 PM
he's doing some line dancing??? :smile: :smile:

10-02-2009, 12:49 PM
he's doing some line dancing??? :smile: :smile:


hope its not white line fever :smile: :smile:

JB
10-02-2009, 12:49 PM
well, he is in the west.....

10-02-2009, 12:53 PM
good point heard its the only way they let you in over there

Swifty
10-02-2009, 01:20 PM
I'd like to make a donation to the Bushfire Appeal - one length of rusty barbed wire.

That way, when they catch the sick bastards that deliberately started some of the fires they can be strung up by the balls! :knob

Keith Maniac
10-02-2009, 02:37 PM
ive not been opn her for a while guys but i havent forgotten you lot and with recent avents i wish you all the best!!!!!!! evden though we are the other side of the world the thoughs of nealry everyone over here is with yo

Id forgotten how to read your posts mate, welcome back.

Cant wait for Keefy to turn up & read this. :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

I gave up on Jabba ages ago! :smile: :smile: :smile:

Keith Maniac
10-02-2009, 02:38 PM
he's doing some line dancing??? :smile: :smile:

If you ever find me line dancing, feel free to shoot me! :shock: :shock:

Plumage
10-02-2009, 10:28 PM
The Volunteer Fire Fighters are doing Such a great job :cool: and i hear today.. Some Goompast Volunteer (or more ) Have done it again ..What is going on ... Pathetic ... Our company has given so much tooth paste and brushes to this cause :shock: and to hear this is going on is just Mind Boggling ..Mass Murder i would call it .. i feel so sad for the Cfa and everyone involved ..Lets hope these fires are under control very soon ..
Sorry i got back to the original Post :???:

Keith Maniac
10-02-2009, 10:48 PM
I have to say something here.

Every time we have these fires, everyone praises the volunteer firefighters, as they should. However, the reality is that when these things happen it is the professionals that do the specialist work. People forget that the CFA has professional firefighters and so does DSE. The CFA is responsible for private land and the DSE for public land. In the last decade, or so, BOTH bodies have worked extremely well together. Their cohesion has been laudable and if it wasn't for that fact much worse things could've happened. I am in no way denigrating the volunteers. They are a marvellous and essential part of the firefighting fraternity, but let's not forget those that make their career that of community service.

How do I know all this? My missus hasn't stopped bawling her eyes out over the last few days, BECAUSE it was her job to help people in these disastrous times and she has done it admirably in previous events. This time she feels bloody helpless and she'll only feel worse when the inevitable bullshit about, "DSE wouldn't let us burn off", starts appearing. The DSE AND the CFA are constantly up against idiots who don't want them to burn off (mostly farmers of some description), because it'll taint their crops, etc, etc ........!!!!!! :listen to me: :listen to me:

Most critics of the DSE, in particular, have absolutely no clue what they are talking about! It just seems that if it's a government department, they have to be wrong. Well, if it hadn't have been for the DSE in the last lot of fires a couple of years back, there would've been a result not much better than this time.

Credit where it's due. The volunteers do a fantastic job and we'd be lost without them, but the professionals, arguably, put themselves at greater risk, regularly, but seem to get ignored!

Just thought I'd offer a bit of balance.

10-02-2009, 10:49 PM
The Volunteer Fire Fighters are doing Such a great job :cool: and i hear today.. Some Goompast Volunteer (or more ) Have done it again ..What is going on ... Pathetic ... Our company has given so much tooth paste and brushes to this cause :shock: and to hear this is going on is just Mind Boggling ..Mass Murder i would call it .. i feel so sad for the Cfa and everyone involved ..Lets hope these fires are under control very soon ..
Sorry i got back to the original Post :???:
Serious topic which was of course taken over by rubbish posts and glad to see you bring it back on track Tebby.

And keith, those Victorian Farmers you are so willing to denegrate in your post provide 25% of this nations produce and why wouldnt they protest against the heavy fist of the DSE who will not allow neccescary clearing of fuel to prevent these fires?

Do you have a problem with Farmers?

Plumage
10-02-2009, 11:17 PM
The Volunteer Fire Fighters are doing Such a great job :cool: and i hear today.. Some Goompast Volunteer (or more ) Have done it again ..What is going on ... Pathetic ... Our company has given so much tooth paste and brushes to this cause :shock: and to hear this is going on is just Mind Boggling ..Mass Murder i would call it .. i feel so sad for the Cfa and everyone involved ..Lets hope these fires are under control very soon ..
Sorry i got back to the original Post :???:
Serious topic which was of course taken over by rubbish posts and glad to see you bring it back on track Tebby.

And keith, those Victorian Farmers you are so willing to denegrate in your post provide 25% of this nations produce and why wouldnt they protest against the heavy fist of the DSE who will not allow neccescary clearing of fuel to prevent these fires?

Do you have a problem with Farmers?

Still havent heard from my Brother since he saw my parents a few days ago ..lives i hope .. in Yarra Junction .. Sorry its too close to home ..
its only assumptions .. but someone should be Pissed on for doing this to people .. But my brothers never been good with Communication ..I hope ..

Plumage
10-02-2009, 11:30 PM
I have to say something here.

Every time we have these fires, everyone praises the volunteer firefighters, as they should. However, the reality is that when these things happen it is the professionals that do the specialist work. People forget that the CFA has professional firefighters and so does DSE. The CFA is responsible for private land and the DSE for public land. In the last decade, or so, BOTH bodies have worked extremely well together. Their cohesion has been laudable and if it wasn't for that fact much worse things could've happened. I am in no way denigrating the volunteers. They are a marvellous and essential part of the firefighting fraternity, but let's not forget those that make their career that of community service.

How do I know all this? My missus hasn't stopped bawling her eyes out over the last few days, BECAUSE it was her job to help people in these disastrous times and she has done it admirably in previous events. This time she feels bloody helpless and she'll only feel worse when the inevitable bullshit about, "DSE wouldn't let us burn off", starts appearing. The DSE AND the CFA are constantly up against idiots who don't want them to burn off (mostly farmers of some description), because it'll taint their crops, etc, etc ........!!!!!! :listen to me: :listen to me:

Most critics of the DSE, in particular, have absolutely no clue what they are talking about! It just seems that if it's a government department, they have to be wrong. Well, if it hadn't have been for the DSE in the last lot of fires a couple of years back, there would've been a result not much better than this time.

Credit where it's due. The volunteers do a fantastic job and we'd be lost without them, but the professionals, arguably, put themselves at greater risk, regularly, but seem to get ignored!

Just thought I'd offer a bit of balance.

Thanx Maniac and Bushy .. but you are so right !! its bullshit about how you can look after YOUR own frigging property.. F@#$% greenies F#$%^& conservationts F@#^ EM ALL IF WE CANT LOOK AFTER OURSELVES wHO CAN .. I DONT LIKE IT ... LOOK ats whats happened without Burning off cutting down trees etc F## me

JB
11-02-2009, 08:19 AM
I have to say something here.

Every time we have these fires, everyone praises the volunteer firefighters, as they should. However, the reality is that when these things happen it is the professionals that do the specialist work. People forget that the CFA has professional firefighters and so does DSE. The CFA is responsible for private land and the DSE for public land. In the last decade, or so, BOTH bodies have worked extremely well together. Their cohesion has been laudable and if it wasn't for that fact much worse things could've happened. I am in no way denigrating the volunteers. They are a marvellous and essential part of the firefighting fraternity, but let's not forget those that make their career that of community service.

How do I know all this? My missus hasn't stopped bawling her eyes out over the last few days, BECAUSE it was her job to help people in these disastrous times and she has done it admirably in previous events. This time she feels bloody helpless and she'll only feel worse when the inevitable bullshit about, "DSE wouldn't let us burn off", starts appearing. The DSE AND the CFA are constantly up against idiots who don't want them to burn off (mostly farmers of some description), because it'll taint their crops, etc, etc ........!!!!!! :listen to me: :listen to me:

Most critics of the DSE, in particular, have absolutely no clue what they are talking about! It just seems that if it's a government department, they have to be wrong. Well, if it hadn't have been for the DSE in the last lot of fires a couple of years back, there would've been a result not much better than this time.

Credit where it's due. The volunteers do a fantastic job and we'd be lost without them, but the professionals, arguably, put themselves at greater risk, regularly, but seem to get ignored!

Just thought I'd offer a bit of balance.

i think you'll find up there its the Council who are reluctant/wont allow the clearing of ground fuels which, is ultimately coming from the conservatives in the area.

11-02-2009, 08:23 AM
Along with some fires being started by arsonists, now the survivors are having to face looters in some areas already. Scum knows no boundaries :cry:

Chalks1971
11-02-2009, 09:33 AM
Still havent heard from my Brother since he saw my parents a few days ago ..lives i hope .. in Yarra Junction .. Sorry its too close to home ..
its only assumptions .. but someone should be Pissed on for doing this to people .. But my brothers never been good with Communication ..I hope ..

Fingers crossed mate, fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plumage
11-02-2009, 09:44 AM
Still havent heard from my Brother since he saw my parents a few days ago ..lives i hope .. in Yarra Junction .. Sorry its too close to home ..
its only assumptions .. but someone should be Pissed on for doing this to people .. But my brothers never been good with Communication ..I hope ..

Fingers crossed mate, fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just spoke to my parents hes ok .. hes been busy with his mates helping with the situation .. his property was well prepared for this unlike some of his mates in the area :???: still a lot of work to do though.. apparently Yea and area still in danger ..i heard Healsville sanctuary evacuated 800 animals to Werribee zoo and somewhere else ...
Thanx for asking Chalks ..hope it ends very soon ...

PB
11-02-2009, 10:06 AM
i think you'll find up there its the Council who are reluctant/wont allow the clearing of ground fuels which, is ultimately coming from the conservatives in the area.

One of the worst offenders here was Nillumbik Shire Council who were taken over by a combination of greens and conservatives. This council covers St Andrews & Strehewen which were both devistated as you needed a permit to clear any land or chop down trees, when you try and get it, they take months and people give up because it's too much work.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen if someone sued the council over negligence.

11-02-2009, 10:32 AM
Maybe all these greeny types who love to hug their trees so much should have been out on the front lines of the fires trying hard to defend them :neutral:

Its one thing to talk about conservation but...........................

11-02-2009, 11:04 AM
There's going to be loads of funerals and the blokes attending, in many cases, don't have a suitable thing to wear.

The YMCA are assisting Wallan Community House in collecting men's suits to be distributed to those in need. This is a great initiative and since most metro people live within 20 minutes of a YMCA leisure centre it's pretty simple to help out if you can. Here's a map of their locations (http://victoria.ymca.org.au/cpa/htm/htm_map_ymca_state.asp?page_id=172). Just drop your suits, and/or non-perishable food donations, into your local YMCA and they will get them to where they are needed.

I had 6 suits in my wardrobe from my days in the corporate world. I haven't worn a suit in years and they're just sitting there in the dry cleaning plastic wrap. I've kept 2 (for weddings, funerals and job interviews) and have sent the rest packing.

I urge anybody on the forum (in Melbourne) that has a spare suit or two to do the same. It's a small gesture, but in these saddest of times it will make a difference to somebody as they lay their loved ones to rest.

JB
11-02-2009, 11:41 AM
i think you'll find up there its the Council who are reluctant/wont allow the clearing of ground fuels which, is ultimately coming from the conservatives in the area.

One of the worst offenders here was Nillumbik Shire Council who were taken over by a combination of greens and conservatives. This council covers St Andrews & Strehewen which were both devistated as you needed a permit to clear any land or chop down trees, when you try and get it, they take months and people give up because it's too much work.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen if someone sued the council over negligence.

you'd think their Duty of Care is going to be tested in the following months..... :???: :???:

Keith Maniac
11-02-2009, 12:23 PM
Maybe all these greeny types who love to hug their trees so much should have been out on the front lines of the fires trying hard to defend them :neutral:

Its one thing to talk about conservation but...........................

I think you'll find that most of the "greeny (sic) types" do make themselves available. My missus certainly did. It's her job. Not all greenies have dreadlocks and smoke dope! :roll: :roll:

Plumage
11-02-2009, 12:32 PM
All Profits from Coles everywhere on Friday are Going to the Bushfire Appeal ..Time to stock up the Wine Cellar and Beer fridge !!

PB
11-02-2009, 02:17 PM
i think you'll find up there its the Council who are reluctant/wont allow the clearing of ground fuels which, is ultimately coming from the conservatives in the area.

One of the worst offenders here was Nillumbik Shire Council who were taken over by a combination of greens and conservatives. This council covers St Andrews & Strehewen which were both devistated as you needed a permit to clear any land or chop down trees, when you try and get it, they take months and people give up because it's too much work.

It'd be interesting to see what would happen if someone sued the council over negligence.

you'd think their Duty of Care is going to be tested in the following months..... :???: :???:
This might also help clean out a lot of greens from local councils, which wouldn't hurt either.

kosbar
11-02-2009, 02:27 PM
Heard that the Whittlesea Bowls Club have lost 6 of their members in the fire.

JB
11-02-2009, 03:22 PM
Heard that the Whittlesea Bowls Club have lost 6 of their members in the fire.

bound to happen i guess.... :neutral: :neutral:

Vic Greenie
11-02-2009, 10:50 PM
Heard tonight the figure will go over 230 in the next few days.

The city morge has been asked to prepare for 300.

They are still finding bodies in kinglake today.

Marysville is another area badly hit.

Turly a tragety.

Perko
11-02-2009, 10:58 PM
Heard tonight the figure will go over 230 in the next few days.

The city morge has been asked to prepare for 300.

They are still finding bodies in kinglake today.

Marysville is another area badly hit.

Turly a tragety.

Really :shock: it was wiped out from what I know of.
It also took the lives of 4 people close to my inlaws

Plumage
11-02-2009, 11:22 PM
Unfortunately this is not over yet !! More bad weather to come :???: even rain in some of the affected areas is not good because it could create mud slides (my full stop is not working ) also the possibilty of some fires joining together is certainly not out of the question i pray this dosent happen because areas like Healsville - alexandra are going to be in real trouble and it dosent help when you get DICKHEADS trying to reignite the fires that are (sort of) under control !!!

Perko
11-02-2009, 11:30 PM
What about Yarra Glen champ?
Whats the verdict from Staf

Plumage
11-02-2009, 11:40 PM
What about Yarra Glen champ?
Whats the verdict from Staf

as you've probably heard Big Fella some deaths in Yarra Glen ..
but apart from Simmo nearly getting his place burnt down i havent heard of any one else being in that sort of trouble ..
im a bit worried about Alexandra now ..Matty lives there...
and hes already gone through Shite .. also my brothers helping around that way .. lets hope the weather is in favour of this fire !!

Perko
11-02-2009, 11:45 PM
Fingers crossed Big Fella.

Pennant out that way might be interesting on Sat, but thats the last of peoples worries

Plumage
11-02-2009, 11:50 PM
I dont think i would want to play out there at the moment Matty ..
Things can change ..as we know very Quickly in this place..

Glory glory
12-02-2009, 08:32 AM
my fatherinlaw used to say when they stopped runnin cattle in the high country. silly thing that, fuel for bushfires

Plumage
12-02-2009, 11:42 PM
my fatherinlaw used to say when they stopped runnin cattle in the high country. silly thing that, fuel for bushfires

By the way Glory .. sorry ive taken so long to get back to you .. i feel for you and your Family and hope all is ok ..i know its not all ok .. but i hope you know what i mean ... lets hope the worst is over ..Cheers ..

13-02-2009, 12:42 AM
Saw a story that highlights the DSE stupidity in not allowing clearing of fuel (Trees) to protect places today when a guy who had been fined and made to replant hundreds of trees was in the fires and all he lost was his sheds, because he had "Illegally" removed all the trees around his house.

The pricks hit him with big fines for daring to make his home safe, but if it could be said he had the last laugh (not that he was laughing about fires) then at a time when all those around him stayed green and lost their homes, this guys house was not burned.

I think the tree huggers still have a bit to learn about fire safety, sure its great to live in the leafy areas, but there are real risks involved as well.

Coming home from Bendigo today I was between Maryborough and Avoca and had to go kill a tree ;)

I stopped by the side of the road and walked in behind some trees, but the amazing thing was the amount of dry material laying on the ground just waiting for a cigarette butt from a careless smoker.

The dead leaf material and grass would have been almost a foot deep in places, this is the stuff the CFA used to burn off on the sides of the roads but the DSE stopped them doing it. :neutral:

Keith Maniac
13-02-2009, 12:55 AM
Saw a story that highlights the DSE stupidity in not allowing clearing of fuel (Trees) to protect places today when a guy who had been fined and made to replant hundreds of trees was in the fires and all he lost was his sheds, because he had "Illegally" removed all the trees around his house.

The pricks hit him with big fines for daring to make his home safe, but if it could be said he had the last laugh (not that he was laughing about fires) then at a time when all those around him stayed green and lost their homes, this guys house was not burned.

I think the tree huggers still have a bit to learn about fire safety, sure its great to live in the leafy areas, but there are real risks involved as well.

Coming home from Bendigo today I was between Maryborough and Avoca and had to go kill a tree ;)

I stopped by the side of the road and walked in behind some trees, but the amazing thing was the amount of dry material laying on the ground just waiting for a cigarette butt from a careless smoker.

The dead leaf material and grass would have been almost a foot deep in places, this is the stuff the CFA used to burn off on the sides of the roads but the DSE stopped them doing it. :neutral:

My missus works for DSE (she's on leave at the moment) and I can tell you now, Stan. You know bugger all about the whole issue!

The number of times she has come home fuming because some farmer or vigneron or whatever OBJECTED to a prescribed burn near their property because of such bullshit as "smoke taint" is beyond counting!

Know your facts before you try to find blame in such a tragedy!! :listen to me: :listen to me: :listen to me:

jobayus
13-02-2009, 08:00 AM
I don't know who's to blame for this,but don't tell me that the Greenies has'nt got a blame in this.

PB
13-02-2009, 08:33 AM
Saw a story that highlights the DSE stupidity in not allowing clearing of fuel (Trees) to protect places today when a guy who had been fined and made to replant hundreds of trees was in the fires and all he lost was his sheds, because he had "Illegally" removed all the trees around his house.

The pricks hit him with big fines for daring to make his home safe, but if it could be said he had the last laugh (not that he was laughing about fires) then at a time when all those around him stayed green and lost their homes, this guys house was not burned.

I think the tree huggers still have a bit to learn about fire safety, sure its great to live in the leafy areas, but there are real risks involved as well.

Coming home from Bendigo today I was between Maryborough and Avoca and had to go kill a tree ;)

I stopped by the side of the road and walked in behind some trees, but the amazing thing was the amount of dry material laying on the ground just waiting for a cigarette butt from a careless smoker.

The dead leaf material and grass would have been almost a foot deep in places, this is the stuff the CFA used to burn off on the sides of the roads but the DSE stopped them doing it. :neutral:

My missus works for DSE (she's on leave at the moment) and I can tell you now, Stan. You know bugger all about the whole issue!

The number of times she has come home fuming because some farmer or vigneron or whatever OBJECTED to a prescribed burn near their property because of such bullshit as "smoke taint" is beyond counting!

Know your facts before you try to find blame in such a tragedy!! :listen to me: :listen to me: :listen to me:

My brother used to work for the DSE and was in involved in the planning of backburning exercises as the OHS manager. He also used to complain that used to get complaints from farmers, particularly in the Yarra Valley and especially wine growers, one even went to VCAT to stop a planned backburn.

So for every winegrower who has suffered loss of crop this is what happens if you don't let them do the job of backburning and fuel reduction.

To some others here talking about it, remember this summer had a wet spring and very dry January topped by the 4 stinky hot and dry days. No amount of fuel reduction would've stopped these fires as so much was against them.

JB
13-02-2009, 09:02 AM
but the severity may not have been so ferocious…

Plumage
13-02-2009, 10:28 AM
but the severity may not have been so ferocious…

Correct Big Fella :!: Grape Grazing off on Sunday for the Rose ..
Money going to the Bushfire Appeal :!: Any Tournaments on :???:

13-02-2009, 12:43 PM
Saw a story that highlights the DSE stupidity in not allowing clearing of fuel (Trees) to protect places today when a guy who had been fined and made to replant hundreds of trees was in the fires and all he lost was his sheds, because he had "Illegally" removed all the trees around his house.

The pricks hit him with big fines for daring to make his home safe, but if it could be said he had the last laugh (not that he was laughing about fires) then at a time when all those around him stayed green and lost their homes, this guys house was not burned.

I think the tree huggers still have a bit to learn about fire safety, sure its great to live in the leafy areas, but there are real risks involved as well.

Coming home from Bendigo today I was between Maryborough and Avoca and had to go kill a tree ;)

I stopped by the side of the road and walked in behind some trees, but the amazing thing was the amount of dry material laying on the ground just waiting for a cigarette butt from a careless smoker.

The dead leaf material and grass would have been almost a foot deep in places, this is the stuff the CFA used to burn off on the sides of the roads but the DSE stopped them doing it. :neutral:

My missus works for DSE (she's on leave at the moment) and I can tell you now, Stan. You know bugger all about the whole issue!

The number of times she has come home fuming because some farmer or vigneron or whatever OBJECTED to a prescribed burn near their property because of such bullshit as "smoke taint" is beyond counting!

Know your facts before you try to find blame in such a tragedy!! :listen to me: :listen to me: :listen to me:Disputes and mis management with the DSE have been ongoing for quite some time Keith, as seen here.
http://www.pigswillfly.com.au/?p=2489

That just highlights one from some time back and talk to my son in law or the farmers around his area if you want to see concerns over fire safety and the unfair restrictions being placed on them and the revenue raising fines they impose in the name of keeping the Garden State Green. :neutral:

I am sure that in the eyes of the DSE they know everything and the people who have been on the land for generations know nothing.

Keith Maniac
13-02-2009, 01:38 PM
Hardly a credible source, Stan! :roll:

I'd rather go with people who have to deal with all these selfish types, especially after seeing the frustration on the faces of people who are trying to the right thing ... FOR EVERYBODY! :roll:

13-02-2009, 01:47 PM
ok i hate to do this but im tired of this constant squabble you two seem to have.
who gives a flying who does what and who doesnt donate all the monies and so forth.

this is victorias most devasting natural disastor on record.
how about we show respect towards the people who have lost everything.
some of these people have nothing but the clothes on there backs.
lives were lost and people now scarred for life.
i think we should be focusing more on what we can do for our fellow victorians rather than having a fued over whether all funds will get to the victims.

show some compassion and respect for the less fortunate.
i dont give a rats if i get bagged for this post but i dont see the logic in the arguement you two are having in regards to this matter.

i apologise in advance for this post i just dont think it is an appropriate arguement considering the devastion that has been caused and is still being caused. i just think its an arguement that could have been done another time not now........sorry to anyone if i offend

Keith Maniac
13-02-2009, 02:11 PM
ok i hate to do this but im tired of this constant squabble you two seem to have.
who gives a flying who does what and who doesnt donate all the monies and so forth.

this is victorias most devasting natural disastor on record.
how about we show respect towards the people who have lost everything.
some of these people have nothing but the clothes on there backs.
lives were lost and people now scarred for life.
i think we should be focusing more on what we can do for our fellow victorians rather than having a fued over whether all funds will get to the victims.

show some compassion and respect for the less fortunate.
i dont give a rats if i get bagged for this post but i dont see the logic in the arguement you two are having in regards to this matter.

i apologise in advance for this post i just dont think it is an appropriate arguement considering the devastion that has been caused and is still being caused. i just think its an arguement that could have been done another time not now........sorry to anyone if i offend

You're not offending anyone, Gaz. You've just said what I've been trying to say as well. Now is not the time to be allocating blame.

Noodles
13-02-2009, 03:14 PM
All Profits from Coles everywhere on Friday are Going to the Bushfire Appeal ..Time to stock up the Wine Cellar and Beer fridge !!
Not 100% sure about that Big Fella, doesn't Liquorland operate separately from Coles. I'd double check that the Liquorland money is going to the appeal before I stocked up for the next 12 months.

Plumage
13-02-2009, 03:52 PM
All Profits from Coles everywhere on Friday are Going to the Bushfire Appeal ..Time to stock up the Wine Cellar and Beer fridge !!
Not 100% sure about that Big Fella, doesn't Liquorland operate separately from Coles. I'd double check that the Liquorland money is going to the appeal before I stocked up for the next 12 months.

Well Noodles .. you have thrown a Blow fly into the Bar fly Works :shock:
No one seems to know :???: But i know the liquor land in Caroline Springs is actually in Coles with the Grocerys and things ... not a seperate shop :???: ANYWAYS its not all about Alcohol :shock: Maybe we could do some food shopping as well :mrgreen: But maybe dont stock up with a Years worth of grog just incase :grin: :???:

13-02-2009, 04:39 PM
Man 39 charged over the Churchill blaze in which 21 people died.

If guilty, well done to the Police.

backhand_smack
13-02-2009, 04:57 PM
Here Here...

13-02-2009, 05:01 PM
Man 39 charged over the Churchill blaze in which 21 people died.

If guilty, well done to the Police.
If he doesn't go for arson, he'll go for kiddie porn at least

pj
13-02-2009, 05:38 PM
Saw a story that highlights the DSE stupidity in not allowing clearing of fuel (Trees) to protect places today when a guy who had been fined and made to replant hundreds of trees was in the fires and all he lost was his sheds, because he had "Illegally" removed all the trees around his house.

The pricks hit him with big fines for daring to make his home safe, but if it could be said he had the last laugh (not that he was laughing about fires) then at a time when all those around him stayed green and lost their homes, this guys house was not burned.

I think the tree huggers still have a bit to learn about fire safety, sure its great to live in the leafy areas, but there are real risks involved as well.

Coming home from Bendigo today I was between Maryborough and Avoca and had to go kill a tree ;)

I stopped by the side of the road and walked in behind some trees, but the amazing thing was the amount of dry material laying on the ground just waiting for a cigarette butt from a careless smoker.

The dead leaf material and grass would have been almost a foot deep in places, this is the stuff the CFA used to burn off on the sides of the roads but the DSE stopped them doing it. :neutral:

My missus works for DSE (she's on leave at the moment) and I can tell you now, Stan. You know bugger all about the whole issue!

The number of times she has come home fuming because some farmer or vigneron or whatever OBJECTED to a prescribed burn near their property because of such bullshit as "smoke taint" is beyond counting!

Know your facts before you try to find blame in such a tragedy!! :listen to me: :listen to me: :listen to me:

Firstly,condolences to all who have been affected. Another tragic set of circumstances resulting in huge loss of life and property. I sincerely hope that the end result of yet another massive fire is that someone in authority over there (NSW & Vic) takes charge and finds out why you seem to have such devastating damage so frequently. Here in W.A. we have controlled burns every year, we also have more than our fair share of uncontrolled fires in outer areas. Yet we don't seem to get anything like the infernos you have. I do a lot of work in our hills area around Perth and it makes me shudder when I see the amount of properties with bush growing right up to and over the roof line. I can't help but wonder why these areas don't seem to suffer like those in Vic. have, given that they appear to be very similar in density of property and bush. I have lived here for around 40 years and while we have had instances of loss of life & property I can't recall anything like this or ash Wednesday and I think there may have been others.We do get objections about the controlled burns sending smoke over the city and you hear stories of those living in bush areas who don't want their natural surroundings to be reduced to ash, but the overriding fact is that the gov't here seems to put reducing fire intensity here as a priority, as it should.

Perko
13-02-2009, 07:10 PM
Man 39 charged over the Churchill blaze in which 21 people died.

If guilty, well done to the Police.
If he doesn't go for arson, he'll go for kiddie porn at least

Pillow Chewer, the heavys a ganna love this dude

Robbo
13-02-2009, 08:32 PM
Man 39 charged over the Churchill blaze in which 21 people died.

If guilty, well done to the Police.
If he doesn't go for arson, he'll go for kiddie porn at least

Pillow Chewer, the heavys a ganna love this dude

Sure will...over & over & over & over & over again.... :twisted:

Plumage
13-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Man 39 charged over the Churchill blaze in which 21 people died.

If guilty, well done to the Police.
If he doesn't go for arson, he'll go for kiddie porn at least

Pillow Chewer, the heavys a ganna love this dude

Sure will...over & over & over & over & over again.... :twisted:

The sad thing is :twisted: hes going to be pleade Insanity :roll: so what ever way it goes hes going to be ISOLATED .. Just like all the other PRICKS that spear people etc etc IT SUCKS :???: SET THE PRICK ON FIRE :!: AND THEN f$%& HIM UP THE ASS :!: (always wear a Condom ) :naka:

Keith Maniac
14-02-2009, 09:16 PM
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25051191-661,00.html)

This, though tragic, is timely, because the Esperance Bowls Club, here in WA, has decided that the best way that they can contribute is to "adopt" a club that has been affected. I didn't know that there was a club at Marysville, but they would be more than eligible for whatever Esperance can donate.

There would, obviously, be other clubs out there that could use some assistance too. Could those that know more than me let me know of what clubs have been affected and I will pass the info on to the president of Esperance. Financially, the club is doing well and they are looking to a significant donation.

Thanking you all in anticipation.

KM

15-02-2009, 09:20 PM
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25051191-661,00.html)

This, though tragic, is timely, because the Esperance Bowls Club, here in WA, has decided that the best way that they can contribute is to "adopt" a club that has been affected. I didn't know that there was a club at Marysville, but they would be more than eligible for whatever Esperance can donate.

There would, obviously, be other clubs out there that could use some assistance too. Could those that know more than me let me know of what clubs have been affected and I will pass the info on to the president of Esperance. Financially, the club is doing well and they are looking to a significant donation.

Thanking you all in anticipation.

KM


Marysville is the only club lost to date

Keith Maniac
15-02-2009, 11:11 PM
[quote=Bushman] http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25051191-661,00.html)

This, though tragic, is timely, because the Esperance Bowls Club, here in WA, has decided that the best way that they can contribute is to "adopt" a club that has been affected. I didn't know that there was a club at Marysville, but they would be more than eligible for whatever Esperance can donate.

There would, obviously, be other clubs out there that could use some assistance too. Could those that know more than me let me know of what clubs have been affected and I will pass the info on to the president of Esperance. Financially, the club is doing well and they are looking to a significant donation.

Thanking you all in anticipation.

KM


Marysville is the only club lost to date[/quote:30g3jl4n]

Esperance has decided that they will be the adopted club. It's just a bit sensitive about who to contact. Emails will be the first try.

15-02-2009, 11:40 PM
[quote="Keith Maniac":kky4uci0][quote=Bushman] http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25051191-661,00.html)

This, though tragic, is timely, because the Esperance Bowls Club, here in WA, has decided that the best way that they can contribute is to "adopt" a club that has been affected. I didn't know that there was a club at Marysville, but they would be more than eligible for whatever Esperance can donate.

There would, obviously, be other clubs out there that could use some assistance too. Could those that know more than me let me know of what clubs have been affected and I will pass the info on to the president of Esperance. Financially, the club is doing well and they are looking to a significant donation.

Thanking you all in anticipation.

KM


Marysville is the only club lost to date[/quote:kky4uci0]

Esperance has decided that they will be the adopted club. It's just a bit sensitive about who to contact. Emails will be the first try.[/quote:kky4uci0]



Try this enquiries@marysvillecountryclub.com.au

Keith Maniac
15-02-2009, 11:49 PM
[quote="Cereal Pest":p2pr367n][quote="Keith Maniac":p2pr367n][quote=Bushman] http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25051191-661,00.html)

This, though tragic, is timely, because the Esperance Bowls Club, here in WA, has decided that the best way that they can contribute is to "adopt" a club that has been affected. I didn't know that there was a club at Marysville, but they would be more than eligible for whatever Esperance can donate.

There would, obviously, be other clubs out there that could use some assistance too. Could those that know more than me let me know of what clubs have been affected and I will pass the info on to the president of Esperance. Financially, the club is doing well and they are looking to a significant donation.

Thanking you all in anticipation.

KM


Marysville is the only club lost to date[/quote:p2pr367n]

Esperance has decided that they will be the adopted club. It's just a bit sensitive about who to contact. Emails will be the first try.[/quote:p2pr367n]



Try this enquiries@marysvillecountryclub.com.au[/quote:p2pr367n]

Got that one from Kosbar and others, but thanks anyway.

PB
16-02-2009, 08:34 AM
Man 39 charged over the Churchill blaze in which 21 people died.

If guilty, well done to the Police.
If he doesn't go for arson, he'll go for kiddie porn at least

Pillow Chewer, the heavys a ganna love this dude

Sure will...over & over & over & over & over again.... :twisted:

The sad thing is :twisted: hes going to be pleade Insanity :roll: so what ever way it goes hes going to be ISOLATED .. Just like all the other PRICKS that spear people etc etc IT SUCKS :???: SET THE PRICK ON FIRE :!: AND THEN f$%& HIM UP THE ASS :!: (always wear a Condom ) :naka:

Just let the locals at the remand centre know who he is when he's there before the trial and they'll save everyone a lot of time and money on the trial and incarceration

The Third Man
18-02-2009, 10:09 AM
Everybody is angry about what happened. Everybody wants to tear this bloke limb from limb. Me too.
However, the lack of a mob mentality is what separates us from third world countries. If this bloke is guilty, and that has yet to be proved, then he should be locked up for the rest of his miserable life, despised , spat on and regularly beaten up by this fellow prisoners.
Killing him does not punish him.
That is just a few moments of pain then nothing. Locked up, he could live for 30-40 years with what he has done just like the families of his victims.
If I was in his position I would much rather be dead than locked up for decades.
Also I wonder how many of our forumites could actually do the deed if they had the chance _ I'm betting none. I know I couldn't. I'm not a killer and I know I'd be scared of anyone who could kill someone in cold blood even with revenge as a motive.
Big talk on a forum is just a load of hot air.

Uncle Ken
18-02-2009, 11:30 AM
:grin: Insightful, well composed and with no histrionics.Is this really Bowlsworld ?

The Third Man
18-02-2009, 11:49 AM
:grin: Insightful, well composed and with no histrionics.Is this really Bowlsworld ?
Thanks.
Just doing my best to contribute and raise the bar a bit. ;)

JB
18-02-2009, 12:39 PM
*snort* he said "raise the bar" :smile: :smile:

Sorry, couldn’t help it! Ooo, I hope Bushy doesn’t construe this as too gratuitous or 'foul mouthed'..?

Plumage
18-02-2009, 12:47 PM
Screw Him :knob The longer hes around .. the more Tax Payer Money WASTED :twisted: ps .. ide get someone else to do the Job to him :mrgreen:

Chalks1971
18-02-2009, 12:51 PM
Now, now boys, play nice.

PB
18-02-2009, 03:43 PM
*snort* he said "raise the bar" :smile: :smile:

Sorry, couldn’t help it! Ooo, I hope Bushy doesn’t construe this as too gratuitous or 'foul mouthed'..?

You never know what might be lying underneath seeing it has been in the gutter for a long time, could even turn up a few people who no longer post

Perko
18-02-2009, 05:54 PM
Screw Him :knob The longer hes around .. the more Tax Payer Money WASTED :twisted: ps .. ide get someone else to do the Job to him :mrgreen:

:grin:

Perko
23-02-2009, 08:41 PM
I text michealw this arvo asking him was he safe from the Upwey fires, the reply was he was evacuating right now, hope all is well out there now, another bloody fire that is meant to have been delibratly lit.
Daylsford area also has a fire

Plumage
23-02-2009, 10:10 PM
I text michealw this arvo asking him was he safe from the Upwey fires, the reply was he was evacuating right now, hope all is well out there now, another bloody fire that is meant to have been delibratly lit.
Daylsford area also has a fire

I thought about Mw today Perko ... i hope is all is Ok at Upwey .. :???:
Will this end soon PLease :???:

Perko
23-02-2009, 10:48 PM
I text michealw this arvo asking him was he safe from the Upwey fires, the reply was he was evacuating right now, hope all is well out there now, another bloody fire that is meant to have been delibratly lit.
Daylsford area also has a fire

I thought about Mw today Perko ... i hope is all is Ok at Upwey .. :???:
Will this end soon PLease :???:

Apperantly the fire is out of control up there, fk

jobayus
24-02-2009, 07:57 AM
I was told yesterday that in some Places thet've even stopped Water Bombing cause it's a waste of Water .It's out of Control and only Rain can stop it.

24-02-2009, 10:19 AM
Thanks guys. Stayed the night with friends and are now back home. Bit close for comfort. Firies did a fantastic job overnight in containing the fire and not losing any more property.

JB
24-02-2009, 10:24 AM
Thanks guys. Stayed the night with friends and are now back home. Bit close for comfort. Firies did a fantastic job overnight in containing the fire and not losing any more property.

do they know how much more was lost?

24-02-2009, 10:33 AM
From what I understand there was a house lost at Belgrave South (or Belgrave Heights?) and a couple of sheds. A couple more houses may have some slight damage.

Plus one CFA tanker was lost and another damaged.

JB
24-02-2009, 10:39 AM
hang in there buddie. ;) ;)

Keith Maniac
24-02-2009, 11:52 AM
Glad to hear that you are alright, Michael. :cool: